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  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Ouch. At least they seem ok for the most part considering what the pilot did. Clipper down the drain. Best get well wishes for them and we are open for training 7 days a week. He should fly alone for a while without a passenger.
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Too high on final, S-turns too casual, off the side from the runway by a large margin at 50-75 feet, no go around attempted. Pilot too casual even till the last few seconds and thinks too much of his own skills. I put the accident began at the very least at 75 feet. Good lesson for others including me ... don't get cocky on short final when things aren't lining up. Go around.
  • Jim M
    by Jim M 7 years ago
    wow, I have a lot to learn. Thanks for posting...
  • Tom Donovan
    by Tom Donovan 7 years ago
    i agree with Abid on the S turns They dident realy result in a significt loss of hight ( Which is why wy do them) and on the line up to the runway. But it,s made me think, im going to practise some short finals at the weekend if the weather holds.
    One thing i would say though.
    The pilot and pasenger both looked to have no life thertening injury,s when every one got there. I think people were far to keen to get them out of the aircraft. ( I can understand why)But i cant see any fuel leak etc that would need emergancy action. I would have left them in the aircraft till the emergancy people got there in case of any spinal injury.
    Just my thought,s
    Hope the two pilots are doing ok
    Tom.
  • Alf  Jessup
    by Alf Jessup 7 years ago
    Abid,

    I totally agree with your comments, the pilot seemed way to casual with his approach with the s turns getting closer to the ground and is hand positioning on the control bar really got me.
    I cannot believe how lax he was with his grip on the bar.
    I would have either gone around knowing i was to high or just pulled the bar in on a straight in final and carried a bit more speed with the gusty conditions.
    I think we should all have a good look at this video and learn from this poor unfortunate pilots accident.
    Glad they all got out of it with minor injurys only as it could of been much worse.

    Cheers
    Alf
  • ritchie white
    by ritchie white 7 years ago
    The last on board clip shows the pilot changing his right hand from "over hand" to a "under hand" grip of the control bar.....that takes away the left to right and visa versa elbow flexibility.Poor pilot skills at a critical phase of flying
    They were lucky!!

    Ritchie
  • Jan Ferreira
    by Jan Ferreira 7 years ago
    Does anybody know how many hours experience this pilot have? I don't want to judge this guy’s flying skills, I only have 100 hours on trikes and by the grace of God and there goes I. I don't know why he did what he did. I hope to learn from his experience. To me it looked like he wanted to get the trike on the ground at all cost. (Common mistake by low hour pilots) He didn't do any basic landing maneuver correct, he just crashed the trike into the ground. He had no round out or flare. The runway was long enough to give power, get control and line the trike up, if things didn't work out he could have gone around. We need to know more about this pilot because this is what gives Trike pilots and Trike flying a bad reputation. Did he get enough training and who was his instructor? I wish him a speedy recovery.
  • Mick Balaban
    by Mick Balaban 7 years ago
    Jan: he has at least couple hundred hours of flying in trikes. I saw couple of his (very cool) flying dvd's where he was doing some crazy maneuvers like flying in a canyon under the bridge and chasing birds just above the water, climbing only when passenger yells "power lines!!!". Ill see if I can get him to join tp social and comment on this accident.
  • Jan Ferreira
    by Jan Ferreira 7 years ago
    Mike,
    Sounds like he took flying to casual and this time it came back and bit him in the backside. I had some close calls back in the day when I flew fixed wing ultralight’s. I hope I learned my lesson then. One can never let your guard down. As I said I am not judging him we all can become complacent if we do not watch what we do.
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Hi Guys,
    In this case, I am sorry but you have to truly judge the pilot. This is some passenger (possibly completely innocent, un-knowledgeable about trikes) life we are talking about. This guy needs to really think about what he did there. They were very lucky and the accident was a 100% his fault. No IFS, ANDS or BUTS about it.
    If you want to do those kind of shenanigans, go fly alone or with another trike pilot who knows what he is getting into. I have no problem with that but to do these kinds of ridiculous things without the skill or reflexes to back it up ... uh huh ... I THINK NOT.
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    And by the way, I might add, it is a testament to the trike carriage's design and its execution by AC in good old tubular Aluminum non-the-less that really saved their backs from breaking.
    Just a couple of days back we were having this rather heated discussion about AC's new trike being more or less strong than the Voyager. You can see that even very old models which are relatively weaker are stronger than they need to be. The discussion was a moot point.
    As pilots we bang our machines in like no tomorrow and then go looking for excuses to save ourselves embarrassment instead of taking responsibility. I have done that, you have done that and we all know it. We are a sad lot.

    Oh that machine isn't strong enough ... or may be I just need to get my head out of where the sun doesn't shine :).
  • Vince  Morson
    by Vince Morson 7 years ago
    Well it's easy to point out some faults with the approach and the way he controls the wing, but not so easy to know what the physics are that cause the crash. To me that's the interesting part. It does look like the wing may have stalled. I guess it's a bit surprising to me how quickly and easily the trike flips. If it's right that the wind's blowing 20 and mid-day thermals are kicking off that's a combination for some really rowdy air and you better be right on your game or things can go sideways in a hurry, I know that. I don't like much more than 12 in combination with really convective conditions. Glad they're OK and it's certainly good video for all of us to see. Vince
  • Vince  Morson
    by Vince Morson 7 years ago
    Looking at it a few more times, it seems like there's a pretty significant right crosswind, and he never quite gets the nose back into the wind. I think a longer, straighter approach while carrying more speed and some right crab would be the ticket.
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Hi Vince,
    This is what I thought happened. High rate of descent. Trike meet Earth. Earth meet trike.
    Still in a semi-S turn 10 feet from the ground. S-turs increase the rate of descent by using the principle of adverse yaw that happens on every turn for the first one or so second before co-ordinated flight is resumed. He never got into a co-ordinated flight on the final S-turn and never bother to push the bar out (round out). He was too fixated on turning back and trying to make the runway and he was too busy flipping his hands upside down 2 seconds before meeting Earth (that's a pathetic way to control a trike near the ground in bumpy conditions and that is what I was calling too casual) ... All in all its a combination of low skill, arrogance, attitude, over-confidence and showmanship without having the chops that created this accident. The accident starts when he is too high on final, it takes further shape by his bad and casual decision making and it is solidified when he decides not to go around or add power or not to flip his hands up and down on the bar or too busy turning and not rounding out 3 seconds before impact.
    Physics as follows:
    1) Rate of Descent high due to turning
    2) No significant attempt to arrest the rate of descent either with adding power nor rounding out
    3) Bam!!!
  • Christopher  BIG RED  Van Zyl
    Mick you comments on this guys bad habits makes me wonder how his luck has not ran out earlier!
  • Qazi  Ajmal
    by Qazi Ajmal 7 years ago
    IT SO BAD. I SO SORRY. ONE THING I WATCH DURING LANDING POSITION HE DISTRUB THE CONTROL BAR SO MUCH........... THAT IS THE FACT OF ACCIDENT,,,,,, PILOT CANNOT CONTROL THE LANDING TIME. HE FEEL I LAND EASY. HE CONFUSED THAT TIME HE DISTURB CONTROL BAR. APPROACH IS GOOD . SPEED IS BAD.
  • Mike-in- Thailand
    by Mike-in- Thailand 7 years ago
    Whilst there's a bit of yellow on his wing, there's none whatsoever on his trike. This chronic oversight, coupled with an appalling taste in music, would have been major contributing factors to this accident.
  • Diego Sagrera
    by Diego Sagrera 7 years ago
    Live and learn.
  • Jan Ferreira
    by Jan Ferreira 7 years ago
    Well, who ever put this video together must get some thanks. I don't think it is the pilot but if he did, hats off to him for showing us how not to make such a landing. There must have been at least three different cameras, I see the passenger had one and there were two different ones on the ground. The producer had to have access to all three cameras footage. Anyway, thanks, and since nobody was seriously injured, except for the hole in his bank account, I found the eerie music was well placed for the coming crash.....:>)
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Hey. The music is freaking AWESOME. Mike you have been stuck in Thailand too long. The first song is Flying in a Blue Dream by Joe Satriani using Lydian scale and Bella Bartok's 20th century addition to music theory called Pitch Axis Theory of establishing a tonal center. You guys need some music appreciation classes. And Joe Satriani is a virtuso master guitarist
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Let me correct before someone gets confused. Bela Bartok, the Classical Hungarian composer and Pianist who died in 1945
  • Jan Ferreira
    by Jan Ferreira 7 years ago
    Hey Abid, I know you know a lot about mechanics but I didn't know you are also a Ethnomusicologist...:>)
  • Abid Farooqui
    by Abid Farooqui 7 years ago
    Hi Jan,
    Don't tell anyone but I played more guitar in college then spent time doing my engineering or Modern Physics homework. I usually studied for midterms, only the night before the midterm. I also spent more time on my minor (theology) than my major, engineering and in fourth year of my first degree, I almost quit engineering and went to Ithaca college as a Jazz Performance Guitar major but then one of my cousins in NYC who is a recorded Jazz guitarist told me that if I wanted a paycheck , I better not do that :).
  • Chris Wills
    by Chris Wills 7 years ago
    This one will be watched to death but what was that underhand business on the control bar? All the room in the world for a straight in approach. The text at the end calls it a "lull", I call it a wind gradient for which I'm always prepared. As someone else stated, that accident started at 100 ft and probably way before that.
  • Chris Wills
    by Chris Wills 7 years ago
    Mike-in- Thailand 9 hours ago "Whilst there's a bit of yellow on his wing, there's none whatsoever on his trike. This chronic oversight, coupled with an appalling taste in music, would have been major contributing factors to this accident."

    You crack me up Mike! I'm betting by the use of the word "Whilst" that you spell tire "tyre" and throw an extra vowell in color as well.

    Cheers!
  • James Starkey
    by James Starkey 7 years ago
    Flying aside guys from almost 15 yrs in EMS please unless the pilot is in danger, there is a fire something like that, dont move them. Mechanism of injury would have you worry about back and neck fractures. Very glad there OK and hope the pilot takes all the good advice spoken here.
  • Larry  Mednick
    by Larry Mednick 7 years ago
    His right hand grip was a major contributor to allowing the left wing to drop like that on impact.

    Lack of energy in the wing to overcome the apparent sink he encountered and lack of throttle, responsible for the impact.

    Problem was the right wing tip coming up. He got it down, but obviously not in time.

    the cross wind he encountered made all these mistakes add up to the tip over.

    Add in rotors to top it all off and there you have it.
  • Ryan  McAnarney
    by Ryan McAnarney 7 years ago
    Abid I didnt know you were a Satriani fan! Thats awesome gotta come in highly energized for sure with a stabilized approach. Where i fly every pilot that flys in and out of my airport also has to to do frequent go arounds!! Its a part of flying without to much ego involved! Had a conversation about this even today with Jim Gaither! I approach at 75 with my 11 meter. Thats leaves plenty of time to burn off or make a go around decision. The power of prayer is huge too!!!
  • Jim Davidson
    by Jim Davidson 7 years ago
    I suspected trouble at 43 seconds into the video. What's with that left pinky finger rising up? Remember you're holding a control bar not a tea cup! ;-)
    Really glad they survived.
  • Robert Wascher
    by Robert Wascher 7 years ago
    Low 'S' turns in winds is a really bad idea. I know it can be really scary to think about a go around in these kind of winds, but this video demonstrates why the 'Go Around!' was invented. If the cross wind are severe I like to fly at an angle to the runway and try to time the flare with approaching runway. Better to go in the rough than flip the trike. Get the windward wing tip down fast. Also drive the flying machine to the landing--no floaty landings. Maneuvering speed applies all the way to terra firma!

    Glad to see the pair only bumped and bruised.
  • Glade Montgomery
    by Glade Montgomery 5 years ago
    I watched this event repeatedly on YouTube (with narration from the pilot) before seeing it here. I found the explanation puzzling until watching it again (for the umpteenth time) just now. Here's my answer:

    For at least the last three or four seconds of flight (if not more) the guy is not flying. He has the wing pushed far out and is essentially stalled. He's engaged in a rapid rate of descent in this stalled condition. It appears his vector of movement is near 45 degrees downward, with the wing pitched at about 15 degrees upward, creating a 60 degree AOA. In other words, the wing is acting as a mere drag device, and not as an airfoil. From this point forward he could not have flared if he wanted to. There was not sufficient forward momentum to do so.

    When he hits ground in this rapid-descent, low-forward-momentum condition, there's an inevitable and rather large bounce. He has positively no control at such point, because there is zero flying speed in the wing. The bounce happens to exacerbate any slight turn to the side that was prior present in his attitude, so on second impact the aircraft simply trips over.

    What is the lesson?

    As Larry says, maintain energy. My own way of looking at it is: "come in HOT." He should not have been doing S turns to use up his altitude. He should have instead "employed" that altitude by pointing his nose sharply down, to build a high rate of speed. This would have given the ability to maintain flight when hitting the wind gradient, and continued control onward to the flare, with properly controlled loss of energy occurring just inches above the ground, as it should.

    That's my take.
  • Larry Simpson
    by Larry Simpson 4 years ago
    Kudos Gentlemen, especially those onboard the trike!

    Did anyone else hold their breath while waiting to see/hear from the passenger ... until there he was (I applauded and tears rose in my eyes).

    Then I wiped my eyes, pulled my goggles down, and started to "judge" piloting technique (did someone mention the raised pinky?) Bartok came into play. Observations/judgments flew 'round about until someone declared that he had NOT been appointed JUDGE. Ahem, nor have I Any appointment whatsoever.

    The most recent comment about maintaining "energy", rides with my 20:20 goggles all the way to the hanger after another sweet "go around" to bring life's energy, and to get on and go again.
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