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  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    this was todays F.U. i had flown, landed, decided i need even more fun, took off, drifted a coupla feet too far left, the wheel hit a berm and over we went. pilot error, no excuses. much destruction, wing, prop, forks, instr. housing, possible crank damage, they don't appreciate being stopped abruptly! most wing tubing is either fractured or bent etc. my legs are turning all pretty colors after being used to tear the instr housing loose, i lost a shoe and some meat off the right heel, my titanium knees are swollen,etc, but at least i didn't roast alive, gas was pouring ang splashing over me, pump running, couldn't find the switch or undo my seat belt, big relief when i fell out, then i couldn't untangle the shoulder belts. don't do this at home, or any where else! it's kind of a nuisance having to use a walker but legs ain't functioning too well with the swelling and a few chunks missing! but if anyone out there decides to' bunt' his trike be sure to mount a video camera so we can all enjoy the fun! i found my shoe and cell phone 100ft behind the wreck, the phone had been in an inside pocket! pretty violent,i'm still finding little bits of body damage on me! i'm not quite ready for golf or 'flower arrainging yet! but i'm trying to figure out how to tell my wife i'm gonna be breaking into the kids 'inheritance money' to fix my trike! check the control tube! coulda really hurt.
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    Hell of a video. That accident is the best arguement I've seen for a full harness seat belt. Had you had only a lap strap I recon you and the front tube would have become very familiar with each other. I am glad you escaped with no life changing injuries, I wish you a full and rapid recovery. I do not however envy your chat wife your wife. I've had to had that conversation and it involved my spending a whole lot of time looking at the ground in front of me saying "yes dear". Thanks for sharing and showing we can all F.U. if we let our guard down. Good luck.
  • wexford air
    by wexford air 9 months ago
    Sh1t Monty, That's a pity cos you had that trike looking good. The only cure for those things is to get back in the air asap and bruises and cuts will heal up soon. It's heartbreaking when you get away and then turn back to see the wreckage! But these things can bite when you let your guard down and your probably not in the mood for advice at the moment but I would look at your flare technique a bit when you get going again. You probably tried to take off downwind as well and that probably explains the lack of lift when you were expecting it but you need to be able to reach that front strut. Hope your in the air soon and good luck.
  • Jozinko Sajan
    by Jozinko Sajan 9 months ago
    Im so sorry Monty for your accident. I hope, you will be well soon. Yea i know how is hard to tell wife you need money for repairing (and how hard is to receive it). Its terrible video! Good luck.
  • Larry  Mednick
    by Larry Mednick 9 months ago
    Wow! Thanks for posting. I think your focus might have been on lifting off instead of steering back to the right. Holding "centerline" on takeoff is an important skill we must all practice. Having said that you might have lifted off had you pushed forward all the way right before running off the side. But the right thing to do is keep the bar forward and drop the right wing and steer with your feet back to "centerline". Obviously you are probably thinking I KNOW THAT! This is not as uncommon as you think. It happens way to often and to many higher time pilots. I've never been "along for the ride" before so Thank you for sharing.
  • Craig Dingwall
    by Craig Dingwall 9 months ago
    Wow Monty, sorry to hear. Thanks for the share it made for pretty horrible viewing for sure.
    Once again it just shows that you cant take your eye off the ball for a minute or it bites pretty hard and very quickly.
    Guess I'll refrain from any of the "i'm sure it'll buff out" type jokes until later.......
    The main thing Monty is that you are in one piece (mostly).
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    Not as an excuse but the extra friction of my phat tires made take offs longer I had taken off many times before from the 'curvy' road with no issue, the trike is/was noticeably harder tot push than with my old skinny tires, not excusing all the correct comments, only 'a contributing' factor. Try lowering your tire pressures and push your trike , it takes a longer run to get up to lift-off speed. i had lowered the pressure from 10 to 8psi, gave a velvety ride but was harder to push. NOT excusing, my failure to allow for this. being told to 'push the bar to the downtube' is a little 'irritating' creating unnessary drag don't help lift. i've taken off many times with that aoa the wing feel tells me what it 'likes'. as in most accidents several factors played a part, including stubborness, 'don't confuse me with facts, my minds made up! and anyhow, i can't die yet theres still a few people i haven't pissed off!
  • Chuck Tabbert
    by Chuck Tabbert 9 months ago
    Ouch Monty, yeah off arpts are tricky - hope you're ok
    Sounds like you have substantial damage especially the crank shaft issue
    Get better !!!
  • Tom Currier
    by Tom Currier 9 months ago
    Bummer. That was painful to watch........came right out your shoes! Hope all the body parts heal and you're able to patch her back together and quickly so you're up in the air again.

    Ditto on the shoulder harness. I think the outcome might have been much worse if not for that.
  • Larry  Mednick
    by Larry Mednick 9 months ago
    Monty you are right that more AOA is more drag and will increase ground roll. But at a couple of miles per hour and several feet before it will lift with the wing positioned with less AOA the wing WILL FLY and take off at a higher AOA provided it does not exceed critical AOA. But looking at this video one thing I see as a designer is your legs are to short for the way your gas pedal was set up. Because your knees are not bent very much your right ankle is really stretching for Full throttle. That reach usually takes away control. Whether your feet are reaching or your arms are reaching for the controls, it tends to take away a lot of control. You were really reaching to get full throttle.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    larry you are an observant s'o'b'! since having 'replacement knees i AM a bit shorter! aha! no wunder i crashed! i ain't tall enough. (just kidding larry).
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    You're not the first and sure as hell not the last to fall foul of the famous "oops a daisy moment" . Your harness went a long way to saving for beautiful looks from being altered by your down tube and I'll certainly be looking at adding one to my beasty. You are brave to post the video for us all to learn from. Thank you.
  • Paul Hamilton
    by Paul Hamilton 9 months ago
    Monty,
    That is pretty bad. Front impact at 35 to 40 ish. Ouch. Busted up trike and body. Glad you are here to talk about it. My wishes for a speedy recovery.
  • Doug Boyle
    by Doug Boyle 9 months ago
    Monty, So sorry to see your bird involved in the upset. It looks to me that your throttle acceleration influenced the direction of your front wheel. Read not enough left foot resistance to counter the pressure of the right foot. Good thing you have the skills to return your bird to flight!
  • Damien B
    by Damien B 9 months ago
    Thank you for posting this Monty, I salute your honesty! This will be invaluable for all of us.

    One thing that stood out for me when studying for my CFI rating was Figure 2-1 below and that accidents are statistically equally as likely to happen on take off as landing.
    This video really brings that into perspective and I along with my students will be learning from this.

    https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/phak/media/04_phak_ch2.pdf

    I wish you a speedy recovery and easy fix to get your bird in the air again!

    Cheers,

    Damien
  • jeff trike
    by jeff trike 9 months ago
    Monty, that sucks. Glad you survived to limp away. Was the auxiliary electric fuel pump pumping gas everywhere? Maybe they aren't all that great to have. Hope your body will quickly heal and you can get a new trike together soon. You can take some comfort in that this video will make you famous worldwide.
  • jeff trike
    by jeff trike 9 months ago
    Monty, thanks for posting this video. I can imaging myself making this same mistake. Rolling down a dirt road, drifting to the side, hitting a berm and flipping. Once I took off from a grassy field with a sticky throttle pedal. I hit a clump of grass with the nose wheel that put my trike into a turn. I pulled my foot off the gas but the sticky throttle pedal kept took it down to half throttle. I kept turning and soon lifted the outside trike wheel. Now I was really scared, wing was tipping now. To scared to let go to kill the mag switches. Finally did manage to kill the mags, and saved my trike, but I could have easily tipped over in a very similar accident.
  • wexford air
    by wexford air 9 months ago
    Sorry if it was irritating Monty. Not the intention. Hope it works out ok and we'll see your next adventure soon
  • Leo Iezzi
    by Leo Iezzi 9 months ago
    Like all of us here, I too am glad to see you're alright Monty. Let me know if I can help in any way repairing your Trike.
  • white eagle
    by white eagle 9 months ago
    Oh me oh my monte. I was going to post the ol monty flesh wound thing untill i watched the video. Actually it was a de jha vu for me only i was landing. Last year landing my soaring trike after having a blast and resisti
    ng getting too cold. I had mad a quick choice of landing in the hg lz next to my truck. Instead i should have aborted and landed the smoother runway 1/2 mile away from my truck. After my mains i touched down my nose wheel i caught a wet clump of dirt which pushed my wheel to the right. Over i went destroying my falcon 3wing.
    I was so suprised how quick and how little reaction time i had. Embarassed and upside down it was at first difficult to get myself out. I couldnt reach the kill switch iether with my broken prop screaming at me. After sitting down going over everything i concluded that i was tired, cold , pushed myself to hard having fun. Instead of making reasonable calculated decisions on my landing i made a quick one. I didnt go thru my normal landing mental checklist! Had i been more firm on my steering i think i could of held it. Also i have no steering dampener on my nose wheel . I think that would of helped. I too was totally unscathed. Slightly upset with myself though .
    I know you didnt exspect that one to happen. Iam sooo glad you are ok. Thanks so much for being brave and posting. I didnt have my go pros on or i would of put mine up. That could happen to any one of us.
    What doesnt kill us makes us a better pilot?
  • John Smith
    by John Smith 9 months ago
    Thanks, that took courage to post. From this, manufacturers and pilots could learn to remove any and all sharp points and edges from the pilot area.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    wow! thanks for the comments, i'm proud to be a lowly member of you guys.nobody yet has told me what a stupid bastard i am, they probly know that i know that! i didn't post the video to be 'famous' only to illustrate what can happen with a lapse of judgment. the main trike frame SEEMS to be ok, my hanger buddy is going to sell me a prop (though he doesn't yet know it') i've still got my 12m chronos wing, though it is 24yrs old. i was just begining to 'make peace' with the northwing, i didn't like it at first, it didn't like me either! i tore up the busted wing, i was sutprised how easy it ripped! iv'e still got the original forks and wheel etc. i built the instrument housing years ago, the 'plug' alone took 20hrs to build. it was fiberglass 1/4 in thick, it took a lot of shin pressure to bust it, larry, you are right about the legs being too short enough to properly reach da gas, problem was if i sat more forward my shins rubbed agin the lower corner of the housing, which should have been mounted higher, which may have fouled the control bar when lowering the wing. every action affects something else! things are looking less bleak! though i might just try standing in front of wifey of 63yrs,marriage twidling my cap and stareing at my feet while we discuss a 'loan'. i'm only 'brave' arround you guys.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    jteff the auxillary pump was pumping gas into the crankcase, but the gas tank was pouring gas out through the breather directly onto the exhaust system, making sizzling noises, due to vertical direction of the trike and splashing onto me. i coudn't find the instrument panel which contained the switches,it was now hanging by the wires of the side of the trike. the main battery disconnect got sheared off, plus i couldnt unlatch the seatbelt, those few seconds seemed 'longer', when i fell out of the seat and STILL was tangled in the shoulder straps i was ready to hit the delete button. my fancy wing hang bracket got twisted, like a pretzel! though being mild steel is straightenable.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    leo, thanks for offer, youve had enough on your plate! i hope our penal system makes them as sad as they did you, and us by association
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    hey wex, me being 'irritated' is normal! i'm one those arseholes that piss and moan, then don't fix nutting! but am really 'at peace
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    philip, you dead right about the seatbelt and shoulder straps also my downtube is airfoil section, sharp edge at back, my visor was mortally damaged, don't know by what, i think the humanoid brain blacks out details during a 'life threatening occurrance, ' and goes into 'survival only' mode.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    paul and doug, use the good stuff,'' a trike is so safe that you can 'forward roll one at 40mph and walk away , correction, limp away.!plus the triangle design prevented any bent tubing invading the cockpit!'' it should be a good 'safety tool'.
  • Andy Hughes
    by Andy Hughes 9 months ago
    You rock, you tell it how it was. No BS. My frend you have a seat at my table, I am like you. Last year I was showing off my motorcycle merrits. Wiped out in front of the neighbourhood. Stood up, told everyone its my fault. Didn't blame the sand or gravel. I was the ass wipe. Got respect for not lying. Got major road rash. Ha, I'm still here....
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    andy, good to hear from another biker, me since 1953, still ride, a bit. was heavy into road racing in the 50s and 60s, damn they was GOOD times! surtees, duke' taveri, read, hailwood, dick mann, kenny roberts john cooper etc etc (i'm begining to tear up, snif, snif.
  • Rizwan Bukhari
    by Rizwan Bukhari 9 months ago
    Monty, thanks for sharing the video. I am sad that your trike is damaged but in the bigger scheme of things, glad that you were able to walk away.

    Despite what happened, enjoyed your writing style. I am also glad you had a shoulder harness to save you from impacting the front tube.

    All of us can learn a thing or two from this video.
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    Monty if I should be so lucky to get to your age and still fly, I'll be very chuffed with myself. Silly idea maybe, BUT, in some cars they have an automatic "kill" switch in the event of impact beyond a certain threshold. I am sure something on those lines with the addition of a "upside down" no idea of the real name, detector could reduce electric/fuel risks. Larry Mednick, one for you maybe?
  • Bryan Tuffnell
    by Bryan Tuffnell 9 months ago
    Jeez, Minty, glad to see you limp away from that. We all feel your pain (well, some of it) because we're all silly buggers at times and one of us will be next. The main thing is that you're nearly okay - the trike can be rebuilt but we're a bit short of Montys on this planet.
  • Jim Davidson
    by Jim Davidson 9 months ago
    Sir my hat is off to you! Still flying trikes at 82 and to walk away from that mess, wow. I sometimes find my three point seat belt a bit restricting but after watching this....what can I say, glad I have it. I recommend Advil for pain relief and more flying for ego relief. Take care.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    now stop it! you guys are making me tear-up, and big boys ain't sposed to cry! but theres some good in every 'event'. phil, that idea of yours is splendid! all autos have a 'rollover' switch, which, kills current on being rolled over! i see no advantage to keep current flowing to the fuel and ignition system when you are 'upside down'. and, believe me when that gas was pissing out of the tank vent (one way valve needed?) and sizzling on the exhaust system i began to get 'skairt', especially as i couldn't get the seatbelt to un latch, partly cos my gloves wouldn't let my finger into hit the little red release button. the instrement panel and 'kill' switches was no longer in front of me, it was hanging by the wireing off the side of the trike, and i could hear the pump buzzing away. i could smell gas and didn't panic but REALLY wanted to be somewhere else! when the seat belt released me and i fell out of my seat i still couldn't crawl away, the shoulder straps were kinda tangled arround my arms, at this point i wasn't sure my legs were still there, but i knew i could crawl! my helmet, restricts peripheral vision so i could not see where the kill switches had gone, also the battery disconect had it's knob sheared off, so i was unable to kill the battery. i have really ugly pics of the front end, i don't know why my feet arent squished! really the only damage to me ( 'tis but a scratch) (apart from bruised ego!) is right knee joint and left lower leg where the shin was used to shatter my instrement housing. the older, like mine trike designs all have your feet and lower legs the first ones to visit a crash and really, a bit of thought needs to be used to protect the feet, you can't run away without feet.
  • Job Chithalan
    by Job Chithalan 9 months ago
    Monty! Glad you are okay.
    Based your spirit, I an sure you will be back up there soon.
  • white eagle
    by white eagle 9 months ago
    Monty. Wow 82 your a tuffol fart ! Hope i do as well in the not so distant future! I think the biggest thing that concerns me here is the gas coming out the gas vent. When i flipped i was supprized that there was no gas leaking but more supprized that i hadnt but a tablespoon of fuel left. Another roll over by a student in oz and a good friend also had fuel coming out sizzling from the vent.
    I think this may be a good point of discussion here! What could be done or changed to prevent fuel flow from the tank im the event of inverted landings?
    Maybe some sort of check valve that allows the tank to vent in normal flight operations.
    Maybe others would kindly respond!
    Anyways i very glad you are ok and one last question.
    How are you getting your trike back to alcatraz?
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    WE, i can now use UPS, it'll all fit in a large envelope! you are right, it would be a travesty to 'land inverted, survive, only to 'roast ' due to being trapped, etc. it makes sense to guard against the unlikely, cos it can happen! our dirt bikes often finished up with gas pouring out of the vent, so we fitted 'one way valves' obtainable at any bike shop, they let air in to replace fuel used but stop fuel leaking if 'upside down. there could be an issue with fuel injection systems that return unused fuel back to the tank but i'm sure that could be adapted to.
  • Damien B
    by Damien B 9 months ago
    >>What could be done or changed to prevent fuel flow from the tank im the event of inverted landings?

    A long vent line from the top of the tank, going up slightly then doing a 180 degree then going down just below the tank so if it does get inverted, no fuel will flow out???
  • Doug Boyle
    by Doug Boyle 9 months ago
    Monty, On the lighter side, I noticed that you didn't deploy your Safety Chute....
  • white eagle
    by white eagle 9 months ago
    Monty thanks for the laugh concidering iam now completly snowed in probably for the remainder of winter . Watching the movie the shineing helps but i really want a piece of some ground hog back east for supper!

    Damien yes i have that vent tube on my redback but nothing on my sky cycle. Let me refraze my question what can we do to stop the leakage that monty and yft exsperienced?
    Iam not to afraid of the afterlife but burning scares me.
    Maybe this is an aera we could improve on . Youre thoughts welcome.
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    With a modification to the vent pipe a small one way valve could be added activated by a small float system. Reason the tank needs to be able to expel air when the air inside heats up during the day otherwise pressurized tank, also needs air to go into the tank to replace used fuel. Therefore a small "float" that would detect up had become side or down closing a small valve. Similar to a carb. float/needle but a tad smaller. Could even attach to the screw filler cap and go inside the tank, therefore nothing to be banged about in the event of an "ups a daisy".
  • Doug Boyle
    by Doug Boyle 9 months ago
    Any landing you walk away from is a good landing - when the aircraft is still flyable, it's a great one! "Good" on ya' Monty.
  • white eagle
    by white eagle 9 months ago
    Phillip thats kinda what i was thinking! A small check valve that when inverted would cover the cap vent hole with a soft rubber ball. But as damiens imput iam not really sure where the problem lies. Plus i wouldnt want to create a bigger problem out of trying to correct a smaller problem. Somewhat like gerry in hawaii. Looking at the crash im santa barbra california that trike went up in flames pretty fast.Maybe this is a good subject for a blogg for some of our more ingenuititive pilots imput . Bladder exspansive tanks , check valves. It would seem to me with trikes more could be done to eliminate the risk of fire in case of a survivable crash? Someone want to start a blogg on it. I would love to see some imput in this direction?

    Monty i think you have some pretty incredable , helpfull video here . Ranks up with henrys spiral dive vid. I went over and over your video in slow mo. Looks to me like after the impact with the berm and just before the damage to your nosewheel. It apears that your feet came off the pedals and were limp. I believe that may have saved you from more serious leg injury. Those are just my observation. In the ol days of hang gliding crash preparedness in un avoidable loss of controll pryor to impact was to let go of the bar and tuck and cover. By the looks of your base tube you must have maintained a light grip on your uprights possably saving you from a spiral arm fracture. In the event of iminate impact their are things we can do to lesson the chance of severe injury. You here the term brace for impact but iam not sure thats the best term. Relax and cover for impact and let the trike carrage and wing absorbas much as the energy as possable. Also in your vid in slo mo i think the multi point harness is understated. At one point you are flung pretty high g towards the ground by youre head and shoulders. Had you not had that harness it apears to me possably you would have impacted hard their. Theirs just so much to learn from this. It could of been much worse. You certainly have something looking out for you my friend. Thanks .
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    Maybe we could learn from the motorbikes, what do they do for racing bikes, I'm sure they will have some form of anti spill. Further with bikes, and I know its adding techy stuff, but I was talking to a biker chappie the other day, I was one once also, and he told me now he was an "air bag" system in his bike jacket, he is attached to the bike by a lanyard and should he and the bike part company it inflates. Maybe again an impact sensor to inflate a similar device, would be a bit of a bugger though if it went off in flight by error. Food for thought ?
  • white eagle
    by white eagle 9 months ago
    Monty sorry about being a man of so many words . I just can seem to help it! At about 1:38 thru 1:41 you can clearly see some of the hazards to your body by the base tube breaking inwardly towards you off the compression strut. In hang gliding the uprights and base tube are designed to break to prevent arm fractures on the event of a hard wack. Because as trikers are below the base tube possibly a good idea to ajust the breaking points so that a projectile is not directed at your vitals? Sorry about maybe over thinking this but iam always asking the question of what could we do to make crashes more survivable. As a emergency responder and fire fighter i cant help it.
  • Bradley  Waters
    by Bradley Waters 9 months ago
    Monty... you old bugger! You one tough sum bitch!
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    bradley, you old codger, i broke my promise to you, not to crash my trike anymore! i only did it this once, i promise, again. i'm working on a 'roll cage' for trikes, it could set a trend! i could even publish a 'how to roll a trike' booklet, now i know how to do it!
  • Byron Roberts
    by Byron Roberts 9 months ago
    Sorry for your accident, aches and pains. This vid has brought alot of good attention and instruction for us all to follow. A speedy recovery to you.
  • Tony  Castillo
    by Tony Castillo 9 months ago
    Monty, Very sorry to see this. Wish you a speedy & full recovery. Thanks for sharing the details and video with us.
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    repairs started, legs kinda healing, trike's name will be changed from 'phang' to 'feenix'.
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    Excellent comment from a pilot on microlightforum.com that the auto cut off could have a false trigger during heavy turbulence
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    yeah phil, theres always a 'flip' side, but when i was stuck in the seat trying to get out and listening to gas being pumped and sizzling on the exhaust i would have promised NEVER to fly in 'heavy' turbulance again! if it meant that noise would stop! if a rollover switch was activated in 'heavy enough turbulance to activate it you'd better kiss you'r arse goodbye! 'heavy turbulance' 1 arse 0.
  • Bill Chance
    by Bill Chance 9 months ago
    On our single seat race car that you strapped on more than you strapped into, the exhaust headers were about 8" behind your head. Because it was so tight to get out of when upright and even harder if upside down, fire was a big concern seeing the pump was about 12" from the headers. Per rule cars had to be equipped with fire bottles but you had to be awake to hit the fire button or turn off the pump. So I ran the pump off a relay tied into the oil pressure. Engine dies upside down and loses oil pressure= pump off. Will not work with a 2 stroke though, but one could wire a relay rigged to a simple mercury switch for either engine.

    The fuel cell vent had simple rollover check valve.
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    Hey monty, reference to the flip side was a pun right?. How about a "float" system that could detect up/down or on side with a damper to detect the difference between hard short orientational change, turbulence, against the "not on three wheels" ideal. A "float" within a tube would react to rapid turbulence by travelling a certain distance within the tube before returning to the status quo, an inversion would give sufficient time for the "float" to travel well beyond that distance which could be detected and trigger.

    Mine maybe is a crazy idea, but by elimination, if every one posts a crazy idea eventually we will fall upon a good one, ..... maybe
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 9 months ago
    hey philip, i checked on racecars with electric pumps and found references to 'rollover' valves , as well as 'impact' switches. i'm sure they are configured to not be activated by a 'shopping cart nudge', but a 'serious hit'. the chances of being roasted alive in a trike 'rollover' accident ,however remote, do exist, so why insist that the pump keeps working, even though gas 'ain't needed while inverted! the after market switches sold by napa etc have a big red reset button, the switch could be easily mounted in the dash so a hard hit from a 'shopping cart' could be 'fixed' by pushing the reset button, i believe ALL autos have both fuel pump shuttoff switches as well as no-leak gas caps, so why not trikes? we arent subject to federal safety rules like auto mfrs are, but we ARE subject to being burnt! in my crash video you can't hear the gas pump buzzing away, nor the 'sizzling' noise the gas was making dribbling out of the tank vent onto the exhaust pipe to muffler joint, a few feet under me, i did. i made several mental notes at that time not to experience that particular ten seconds again! , especially when the fix is cheap and easy! the switches i've seen on line are intended to be mounted through two tabs rigidly , but if instead they were mounted inside a flexible 'housing' so that they would ignore' shopping cart' hits but WOULD react to you being dumped on you'r arse , (flip side!). if the cost, $50-$100 for the switch is off-putting, every junk car in every wrecking yard has one of these switches, usually mounted above the gas tank, under the carpet in the trunk.
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 9 months ago
    Monty, I look forward to the results of your research. Sadly, I can only do they theory research for the moment, house bound after an operation probably another 2 months before they will let me play out. How about this for an idea, rather than immediately installing a "cut off" system in your trike fuel/electrics, build a little rig upon which you can install the trip switch and the re-set button then mount it on your trike as a free standing test bed with whatever damper flexible mounting system you think may be good. Go fly and see what happens, you have a flying test bed and can assess the setup without risk.
    Phil
  • PHILIP QUANTRILL
    by PHILIP QUANTRILL 5 months ago
    Back again. After reviewing again your video it took Monty 18 seconds from his first attempt to undo the seat belt to eventually get free from the harness completely. Had he been unfortunate enough to break one arm I suspect he would have found release very very difficult. I have just replaced my lapstrap with this 4 point quick release racing style harness. At the price I recon a good investment. I also intend fitting another for the passenger as in a crash one of the major risks to the pilot must be Mr Chunky behind you climbing all over your back. Even with a load on the opening latch it opens without problem.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352088755349
  • monty stone
    by monty stone 5 months ago
    hi phillip, i'm busy setting up my latest 'folly' a fun 14 air creation trike to replace my echo, i fitted a 4-point quick release seatbelt, it only needs one lever to be yanked on and releases instantly, i got it on line i think it was arround $40. the trike came with a lap belt only, all that would do is make the remains easier to find! Ps Phillip, during ww2 I was 'evacuated' from London to audenshaw in Lancashire for a while, before returning to London when some 'supermen' in dark green bombers blew the back off our house. You 'northerners' treated us 'Londoners' real well,(though I did have to fight the local 'tough guys' to be 'accepted) despite the lingo differences, thank you. Monty
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